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1. Don't lose the APE aspect of it! I think they should still set aside at least 35%, if not more depending on the new locations size compared the room they had at Concourse, of Exhibit Hall exclusively for independent and self publishers. Doing this could actually help those independent publishers. APE bring in about 5-6 thousand attendees every year. By expanding the Con around them, they expand the "audience" of people who attend and boost overall attendance close to WonderCon numbers in the tens of thousands. They would have the opportunity to present their work to guests who would have skipped APE all together.
2. Don't brand it WonderCon and rebrand WonderCon in Anaheim. I have two reasons for this. Firstly, if they do go the route of expanding APE, the convention would be a new animal all together, a hybrid of sorts, and branding it WonderCon I think would do a disservice to the APE roots. It would almost be a whole new con. Give it a new name it can grow by on its own merits, not on the tails on WonderCon.
Secondly, WonderCon itself has already made a name for itself in Anaheim and has been picking up Hollywood support. Up and rebranding it could cause apprehension on the part of Hollywood studios who would be willing to back WonderCon because of the recognition the name carries, but possibly would be more hesitant of giving support to the Con, especially when they don't know how the rebranding will effect attendance numbers and how people view the Con. Of course that apprehension could be lessened because of CCI being behind it, but it's still a gamble.
These same arguments could be used in favor of calling the Anaheim con something other than WonderCon, IMO. WonderCon was in SF for 10 years and Oakland for 15 before that, so it could be argued that calling the con in Anaheim "WonderCon" does a disservice to its Bay Area roots, and that the con in Anaheim should have grown by its own merits rather than take the name of something that was already around for 25 years. (For the record, I don't really have a problem with either of them being called WonderCon, but it makes no sense to say that a CCI convention in SF is going to be riding on the tails of WonderCon.)
What is attendance like? Did some searching and last I can find is somewhere around +50K
For all the people who joined after, or just before SDCC 2013, we went round and round last year on this topic earlier. People want for it to stay and people want for it to leave. It's the nature of the beast. No one will ever be happy. People can call themselves experts because they might have been to a con once or twice or because they have a blog. Lets leave things to rest like they were. And NO people don't need to start talking about SDCC moving either. We have been there done that. Lets just leave it at this, lets see what CCI has planned. Whatever they decide on, someone will always be ass hurt.
Agreed. Let's see what happens. That's all we can do. Let's just be sure to appreciate and be respectful of WonderCon San Francisco and it's rich history and tradition. So please kill any APE can be the little scrap we get in NorCal or it be "expanded" ... whatever that means ... and then somehow be happy. I've made the trek the last 2 years to Anaheim and I'll do it again. So a quality show is my priority ... wherever it is.
Then what's the point of having a discussion board? I think a lot of new and/or relevant points have been brought up in this topic.
I've been to WonderCon four times and each time it was in SF. When it first moved to Anaheim, I knew it would stay. Believe me it will stay. You have to be blind to not see how Hollywood has changed Comic Con and the same thing is happening to Wondercon. 2011 was my last year at WC and as long as it's in Anaheim, I will not go. The main reason I cannot go is SDCC which is a big expense and a hell of a drive on the 5. I could sit and moan about it but I'll just go to Big Wow Fest. It's an actual comic book convention!
Yeah pretty much. I probably would have moaned for a bit and stopped shortly after if they had just definitively announced they were moving to Anaheim, rather than getting the continued messages from WonderCon saying "we want to return to SF" and then seeing a bunch of open dates at Moscone center, and even reading comments from Glanzer that they were offered dates in SF in both 2012 and 2013 (especially when some of the Glanzer and CCI statements I've read contradict each other.) I just think it's tacky for an organization as prominent as CCI to keep on letting on so many people like this.Regarding Big Wow, I've never been, partly because it's the week before Fanime and usually been tiny, but I've heard the last one was quite successful, so I'll probably will check it out next year especially after this year's Fanime registration line snafu.
I agree that it seems like CCI is not telling e whole story and I wish they would just be honest as to their intentions to keep it in Anaheim or actually return to SF.
I'm sure the question will come up in tomorrow's Google + Hangout with Glanzer , well maybe not since it is a SDCC follow upYou are not allowed to view links.
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On second thought, why not a couple weeks before Easter?